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【中国观察2021年12月29日讯】
主持人：我的意思是，很多美国人，正如你正确地说，很多美国人真正关心选举的完整性，我必须告诉你，根据我在英国的经验，大规模的邮政投票，你知道，经常导致错误的结果。
川普总统：这绝对是自动的，顺便说一下，这是一件坏事。它很便宜，它是关于魔术的。我的意思是，他们把每个人都放在他们数百万人的系统上。现在有巨大的作弊。而且你知道，他们已经做了关于它的研究。每个人都知道它。每项研究都出来了。你不能通过邮件做这件事。你不能这样做。这些邮寄的选票是边缘的。无论是你的国家，还是美国，这里都是公开邀请作弊。
主持人：但问题就在这里。我看到一些相当广泛的私人民意调查表明，高达20%的潜在选民和支持者对被操纵的信息感到非常沮丧，这是不公平的，不仅仅是在乔治亚州，例如，在那次特别选举中，这是一个倾斜的平衡在参议院，有一些人也许没有出去投票。谁会这样做，因为他们对整个城市感到厌恶。
川普总统：好吧，他们觉得之前的选举被操纵了，也就是总统选举。然后当他们不得不在几个月后投票时，他们真的失去了热情，坦率地说，理所当然地，他们没有乔治亚州州长做了一个可怕的工作，就像与选举诚信有关的可怕。是的，他们觉得他们的选举被操纵和偷窃，我想说他们没有。我明白，现在还有一件事，米奇-麦康奈尔做得很糟糕，因为这家伙正在谈论600美元。在这个困难时期的捐赠，他们在谈论2000美元。你现在不可能以这种方式赢得选举，无论对错，你就是不可能以这种方式赢得选举。所以米奇-麦康奈尔是一场灾难，我认为，真的他们确实得到了很多选票，但是很多人都会劝阻。没有追求。
主持人：是的，我确信这一点，所以展望未来。你知道从这里是要回顾2020年11月的信息，并谴责和批评所发生的许多事情。还是要向前看，努力确保系统中的这种弱点不能存在。
川普总统：我认为这两者都是。我认为它必须是两者都有。以我们在阿拉巴马州的基地为例，最近有69,000人到场，无论我去哪里，我们都会到。我认为我现在在集会上得到了更多的人群，你知道集会，因为你已经去过很多集会了。我的人群是有史以来最多的，我认为这必须是两方面的原因，因为如果你不研究发生了什么，不做一些事情。如果可能的话，我认为他们要做一些事情。我不认为这是一个定论，如果你不回顾过去，你真的不能展望未来，但我认为这确实是两者的结合。而且对未来非常强烈，但也是非常强烈。回顾过去，人们不希望这种情况再次发生。
主持人：现在，还有选民身份。我的意思是，比如说，有一个压倒性的多数，而且不只是共和党选民。我的意思是，比如说，有一个压倒性的多数，而且不只是共和党选民。有一个压倒性的多数，而且不只是共和党选民。一个民主党选民认为选民身份证有意义。我们得有自由。
川普总统：如果我们没有作为一个例子，如果我们没有在2020年发生的事情，所有这些立法机构和所有这些人，现在正在开会和通过选民身份，就不会发生。所以你知道回头看是可以的。你必须从两方面来看，但你不能忘记发生的事情。如果你这样做，你就不会有现在发生的所有事情，而且有一些非常令人兴奋的事情。但其中一件大事是选民身份证，你必须停止邮寄投票，邮寄投票是成熟的欺诈行为，这就是它的本质。
主持人：好吧，我很想在这次谈话中展望未来。最后一点是关于过去的1月6日，这是你的对手高兴地抓住的东西，特别是西海岸的社交媒体巨头和其他所有人。我知道你被故意错误地引用了你那天所说的话。
川普总统：因为有很多不同的方式。所以你说和平地走，我明白，我明白，回顾1月6日，在那一天举行集会是一个错误吗？嗯，你知道我没有。有一个集会在那里举行。如果你看一下，这是一个大规模的集会，有成千上万的人。我想这是我以前讲过的最大的人群，也是真正的和我扭转过的。叛乱发生在11月3日，那是选举日，前后都有。对我来说，那是叛乱，1月6日是抗议，但如果你看一下人群，此外，没有人愿意谈论这个。我相信那是最大和最多的人，我曾对非常大的人群讲话。我从来没有在那么大的人群面前讲过话。没有人谈论过这个，然后不幸的是发生了一些不好的事情，但另一方也有一些非常不好的事情发生，再加上这个。我提出了1万个，建议1万个国民警卫队员。我们希望国民警卫队在那里1万个，甚至是军队，因为我知道人群会很庞大，因为我知道。因选举被操纵而发生的愤怒，我明白，我比任何人和佩洛西都明白，而这些人拒绝了它。我们本来有巨大的安全保障，但他们拒绝了，这将阻止人们去。哦，这将会阻止任何问题。绝对是他们拒绝了。另外，如你所知，警察。我猜他们说，国会山没有给予适当的指示，也就是佩洛西。他们得到了一些非常糟糕的指示。因此，如果你看看发生了什么，回去后。真正研究它。他们是如此愤怒，如此不安，所以他们，我的意思是人们哭泣。他们是如此愤怒，但现在如果你输了选举，人们不会有这样的行为。但是他们知道我们赢得了选举，他们去了那里。但对我来说，真正的叛乱，如果你看一下，是在选举日发生的。
Host:I mean, a lot of Americans, as you rightly say, a lot of Americans are genuinely concerned about election integrity, and I have to tell you from my experience back in the UK, mass postal voting, you know, leads to the wrong results very often.
Trump：Absolutely automatically, by the way, it's a bad thing. It's cheap, it's about magic. I mean they put everybody on their millions of people on the honor system. Now there's tremendous cheating with that. And you know, they've done studies on it. Everybody knows it. Every study comes out. You can't do it through the mail. You can't do it. These mail in ballots are edges. Whether it's your country, whether it's the USA, it's here's the open invitation to cheat.
Host:But here's the problem. I've seen some pretty extensive private polling that suggests that up to 20% of your potential voters and supporters feel so demotivated by the message that it's been rigged that it's not fair that it's not just that in Georgia, for example, in that special election, which was the one that tipped the balance in the Senate, there were a number that perhaps didn't go out to vote. Who would have done because they felt disgusted with the whole city.
Trump：Well, they felt the election was rigged the preceding election, which was the presidential election. And then when they had to vote a couple of months later, they really did lose their enthusiasm, and frankly, rightfully so they they had no the governor of Georgia did a terrible job like just terrible having to do with election integrity. And yeah, they felt they they were an election was rigged and stolen and I would say they didn't have the. The enthusiasm to go out and vote and I understand that now one other thing Mitch McConnell did a terrible job because this guy is talking about $600. Giving during this troubled time giving and they're talking about $2000. You don't win elections that way now, right or wrong, you just don't win elections that way. So Mitch McConnell was a disaster, and I think that really they did get a lot of votes, but a lot of people would discourage. There's no quest.
Host:Yeah, I'm sure of that, so looking ahead. You know from here is the message to look back at November 2020 and to condemn and criticise much of what happened. Or is the message to look forward and try and make sure that that that that weakness in the system can't exist.
Trump：I think it's both. I think it has to be both. We have a base in Alabama as an example at 69,000 people recently show up wherever I go, we get. I think I'm getting bigger crowds now at the rallies and you know the rallies, 'cause you've been to plenty of it. I have the biggest crowds I've ever had and I think it has to be both because if you don't study what took place and do something about it. If possible, I think they're going to do something about it. I don't view that as a foregone conclusion if you don't look back, you really can't look to the future, but I think it's really a combination of both. And very strong to the future, but also it's very strong. Looking back, people don't want that to happen again.
Host: Now, and voter ID. I mean for example, voter ID is very. There's an overwhelming majority and it's not just Republican voters. A Democrat voters who think voter ID makes sense. We've gotta have free and free.
Trump：If we didn't have the as an example, if we didn't have what happened in 2020, all of these legislatures and all of these people that are meeting and passing voter ID now would have never happened. So you know looking back is OK. You have to look both ways, but you can't forget about what happened. And if you did, you wouldn't have all of the things that are happening now happen and there's some very exciting things. But one of the big things is voter ID and you have to stop the mail in voting the mail in voting is is just ripe for fraud, and that's what it was.
Host:Well, I'm keen to look ahead with this conversation. One last point about the past 6th of January, which is something that your opponents gleefully seized up on, particularly the social media giants on the West Coast and everybody else. And I know that you were willfully misquoted in terms of what you'd said that day.
Trump：Because in many different ways. So you were saying go in peace and I understand that I get that looking back on the 6th of January, was it a mistake to have had that rally on that day? Well, you know I didn't have. There was a rally that was there. And if you look it was a massive rally with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. I think it was the largest crowd I've ever spoken before and the real and I've reverse it. The insurrection took place on November 3rd that was Election Day and before and after. That was to me, the insurrection and the January 6th was a protest, but if you would have looked at the crowds, besides, nobody wants to talk about that. I believe it was the biggest and most people and I've spoken to very big crowds. I have never spoken in front of a crowd that size. Nobody ever talks about that and then unfortunately some bad things happen, but also the other side had some very bad things happen and add this. I offered 10,000 and suggested 10,000 National Guardsmen. We want the National Guard to be there 10,000 or even the military because I knew the crowd was going to be massive because I knew that. The anger that took place over the election being rigged, and I understood that I understood it better than anybody and Pelosi, and these people turned it down. We would have had tremendous security, but they turned and that would have stopped people going. Oh, that would have would have stopped any problem. Absolutely they turned it down. Also, as you know, the police. I guess they say were not given proper instructions by Capitol Hill, which is Pelosi. They were given some very bad instructions. So if you look at what happened and go back and. Really study it. They were so angered and so upset and so they, I mean people crying. They were so angry, but now if you lost the election, people don't act that way. But they knew that we won the election and they went there. But to me, the real insurrection. If you look at it, took place on Election Day.